Republicans, Republicanism and the Republic

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Excellent post, wish more people could see this.

Praise the heavens, there is another person like me. I agree that liberal has become a dirty word. In fact in my state (very liberal Massachusetts) I heard a friend refer to people as "liberal parents" referring to the moms and dads who refused to discipline their little monsters and wanted to ban schools from using red pen to correct homework assignments because it supposedly lowers self-esteem.

After that, I began calling myself politically liberal, socially conservative. These studies by Jonathan Haidt aren't helping as he's cliniging to sterotypes for his studies. I also appreciate the word "agnostic". Since I am not Chrisian I have been labelled "athiest" more times than I can count, and that annoys me. No religion = no religion. Not "athiest".

And the term "pro-abortion" is one of the most offensive terms out there.

the republicans arnt so much trying to thin the herd as they are trying to return to their roots,they have tried to bend so much to be nice to independents and reagan democrats that they have forgotten who they are,they want to return to their core values and stop placating people who have betrayed the republican party.most people are for a smaller goverment,most pople are for a strong defence,most people are for good morals and social responsibility and this is the heart of the republican party.it'll take a couple of years for most people to wake up to what obama is and then this country can start to return to normal ..
Thank you, Ellie.

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Brons

It isn't about liberals, conservatives, or republicans. For me, it is these cretinous politicians. Every single one of us could do a better job than all of congress. How does it make you feel to know that you are paying 535 people to do a terrible job of running your country?

We all want to be safe. We all want to have good access to sound public services. We all want our communal monies to be spent wisely. We all want a society that we can be proud of, one that reflects good values. If you look at your 'liberal' or your 'conservative' friends, who amongst them want to elevate the rich while trampling the poor? Who wants to control every aspect of the people's lives? I may be naive in betting that you will say "none of them, but..." There is no "but..." it's these damned politicians and media pundits that are twisting everything and watching people tear their brothers apart for their own sick amusement.

I am sick of it and I am not going to play anymore.

What is the difference between a demagogue and a democrat (lower case d)?

One says, "most people are for good morals and social responsibility and this is the heart of the republican party"

The other acknowledges that there are plenty of people in and out of all political parties who "are for good morals and social responsibility". And that effective government is what encourages cooperation between people of all opinions about what is good and moral and responsible.


I do not feel that the latter is limited to a democrat. There are even republicans who want that and respect the ideas of others. Unfortunately, none of the people who truly want effective government are politicians.
3devious. That was my point. Democrat (small d) meaning people of any party who value democratic process.

There are those who see the world so dogmatically, categorically, simplistically and argumentatively that they ONLY allow morals to be held by one political party and insist those in other parties must be immoral. They live in neurosis, not in reality.

And there are those who insist, again dogmatically, that ALL politicians are evil and that NO politician wants effective government. How real is that?
I've seen very little evidence that the Republican party has been doing anything like "getting back to its core values" since the Cheney/Rove/Bush gang showed up, and it was going down hill for some time before that. I associate the old Republican party with things like:
Fiscal Conservatism
Small government
States Rights
Non-interventionist Foreign Policy
Strong Defense
Law and Order / The rule of Law
Individual liberty
Taking the War and huge parts of the defense budget "off budget" so as to conceal it, and turning a budgetary surplus into a crushing deficit is far from fiscal conservative. Creation of the monolithic Department of Homeland Security is not small government. The way that DHS bullied the states into REAL ID and other expansions of federal law and control is not States Rights. Instituting "Democracy" at the end of a gun and preemptive war are military adventurism. Damaging Habeas Corpus and Posse Comitatus, radically expanding the Insurrection Act, and on and on are not the Rule of Law nor in keeping with individual liberty.

The only "principles" that seem to be being embraced are a hugely overblown "Strong Defense" that combined with an out of control American Exceptionalism becomes a multi-front offense, a reliance on mercenaries, black ops, secret prisons, secret surveilance, and centealized authority, a "laissez-faire" capitalism that is a return to the Robber Baron level of greed an Corruption that will dwarf the "Gilded Age", and a reliiogous/social conservatism that amounts to the establishment of religion.

In that the central current trends within the Republican party seem to be nationalism, statism, corporatism and authoritarianism, I would not claim that it resembles either Goldwater Conservatism or Reagan Conservatism anywhere nearly as much as it does certain European trends of the 1920s and 30s.

I find a lot to admire in good old fashioned Eisenhower Republican politics, and not being either a Conservative or a Republican, even more in the Teddy Roosevelt tradition (which admittedly took him from the Republican party to found the Progressives), and while I voted against Goldwater, there is a lot about him that is admirable. Conversely, while I voted for Reagan, his "government is the problem" dictum is a two edged sword. There are many things that only the government can do well, and "government is the problem" also applies to a government that spies on the citizens, imprisons without trial, runs roughshod over the states, hires mercenaries and puts them above the law nd so on and so on.

As each voice for a thoughtful conservatism offends Limbaugh and begs for forgiveness or is driven from the party, I have less and less belief that the Republicans will find the sort of conservatism that I find admirable.

Just my two bits.
well that sounded more like your four bit's to me ! if clinton made a show of balencing the budget it was in part because of the policy's that reagan started and the fact clinton raised taxes and spent nothing on nessecery things to keep the country and the states running,like a millionare living in a trailer..that bush took the wars of the table as far as budget cuts were concerned was approved by rep. and dem. alike. the department of homeland security was created out of several different exsisting parts of the goverment and seeing how the u.s. military will be answerable to the u.n. in the not so distant future maybe it's a good idea that we have a para-military force that answers only to this country.the notion that we could ignore iraq and afghanistan,is a joke everybody in this country and the world was demanding that bush do something about the mess in the middle east.that the cia pulled most of the major players off the field before our troops arrived say's something about preserving american lives and stopping the monsters that were beheading civilians,that any american captured was tortured on cable t.v. for the world to see means nothing to you??? as soon as americans gave them the same medicine back they almost stopped..let me stick a scud missle in your face and see how you react..when the goverment stay's out of private buisness is when they seam to do the best but as soon as the goverment starts regulating and dictating what they should do they start falling apart.the federal goverment had one purpose and that was to defend against outside agitators and that was it.that we have forced it into just about every corner of our lives is a mistake that needs to be fixed..but a 'liberal' thinker will not understand any of this,just wait until the 2010 elections when the rhinos,the p.c. and the marxist's start to get thrown out of office and this country goes back to being a true republic instead of the playground for giggling irresponsible 'liberals'

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